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Fury at fee for soldiers’ charity event in Wrexham

Published date: 26 April 2010 |
Published by: Phil Robinson


 

WREXHAM Council has been slammed for charging a community group full price to hire a venue for a charity event to support soldiers wounded in Afghanistan.

Caia Park Residents’ Panel is staging the £3-a-head fundraiser for armed forces charity Help for Heroes at Wrexham Memorial Hall on Saturday, June 12.

Panel members said they were shocked when they heard they would have to pay about £220 in hire charges to the council.

They must pay £30 an hour between 7pm and midnight but have been granted a discount of £28 an hour between 5pm-7pm while they set up the hall for entertainers, including singers Roy Mack and Catherine Speed and the three winners of the recent Caia’s Got Talent competition.

One of the winners, Abbie Vaughan, 11, will open the event by reading a story she has written about her brother who was left with brain damage after being blown up by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan in December, 2008.

Corporal Simon Vaughan, 25, of the Commandos, is still being treated in military hospital.

His grandmother Jean Carroll, 71, of Caia Park, said: “I was disgusted when I heard the panel was being asked to pay.

“Lads like my grandson are laying down their lives for their country and when someone puts on a charity event to help them there is no reduction.

“I am very angry about this.”

Residents’ panel member Lynn Morris said: “We would have expected to get a reduction on hire charges as this is a charity event to support wounded soldiers and their families.

“However, it made no difference when we told them it was in aid of charity. We want as little money as possible to come out of ticket sales, so we are running a car boot sale to cover the hire costs.”

Cllr Carrie Harper, whose Queensway ward includes Caia Park, said: “I think this is absolutely horrendous. I have sent emails to the leader and the chief executive of the council asking them to look into this as a matter of urgency as it reflects very badly on the authority.”

Alan Watkin, the council’s chief leisure, libraries and culture officer, said: “The organisation was quoted £30 per hour to hire the venue, which is the standard peak period charge for all charity and non-commercial events.”

The council has since offered a reduction of £30 on the total cost.

Doors open at 6.30pm and tickets are available from outlets, including Communities First and residents’ associations.

It is also possible to pay at the door on the night.

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  1. Posted by: tommy at 10:32 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Wouldn't it be a good idea to have a speaker from the stopthewar coalition to shed some light on this senseless and illegal invasion?

  2. Posted by: GBoycott at 11:14 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Wht not volunteer yourself then tommy and spout your rubbish, i'm sure the relatives of the lad with brain damage will be very receptive

  3. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 11:41 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Do the Council offer discounts for charities? If so, then I don't think Caia Park Residents’ Panel is a charity. Do they offer discounts for charitable causes? If so, then this should qualify. If they don't then just pay the proper price and get on with it.

  4. Posted by: tommy at 12:23 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Geoff,...are you a trainee Sun editor?.

  5. Posted by: eveningreader at 13:53 on 26 April 2010 Report

    This is a charity event Tommy for British soldiers badly injured in the call of duty. Our soldiers.

  6. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 14:40 on 26 April 2010 Report

    eveningreader - "This is a charity event Tommy for British soldiers badly injured in the call of duty. Our soldiers." True...and your point is?

  7. Posted by: tommy at 14:45 on 26 April 2010 Report

    eveningreader...why should injured soldiers have to depend on charity?.The country uses them to fight their oil for blood wars then discards them when they are no longer useful.The people involved in this event would be much better trying to ask serious questions as to who is responsible for the illegal invasion of Afghan and Iraq.Start with Blair,there is enough evidence to hang that piece of shit severall times over if only people would get together and demand it.

  8. Posted by: GBoycott at 15:48 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Roland, the point is the story is over fees to hold what some people deem a charitable event for British soldiers injured, not an excuse for tommy's usual rant slagging off soldiers who have no choice in determining where they serve or what they have to do.

  9. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 16:47 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Boycs, I appreciate what you say about your regularly entertaining disagreements with tommy; however, as you say, the point is about the fee charged. I assume other charitable events have been held there and the proper fee paid. I just wonder why these people appear to think they should be the exception.

  10. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 16:52 on 26 April 2010 Report

    GBoycott - "...i'm sure the relatives of the lad with brain damage will be very receptive" - That's an interesting point. Obviously I'm not going to speak for the Vaughans, but I bet there are a number of parents up and down the country who are having second thoughts about the "war" and letting their children join up now that they have to go and actually fight and risk coming home damaged in some way, if at all.

  11. Posted by: a cahill at 16:59 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Caia Park Residents Panel supported by Communities First... Catherine Speed a member of staff at Caia Park C/F...... surely they get enough funding to cover residents initiatives such as this..... like it or not thischarity is a worthwhile cause regardless of the ins and outs of the arguements about war

  12. Posted by: GBoycott at 17:16 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Who said I nor anyone else here supports the afghanistan war, incidentally i don't but that is irrelevant. Since the fact that our soldiers are THERE, regardless of the legality of it all making snide, spiteful and cowardly comments. Especially as tommy bangs on about how there isn't any jobs for anyone because he seems to be the expert, a life in the armed forces is for some the only way of securing a stable source of income for their families

  13. Posted by: FascistPig at 17:17 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Squabbling over £30 quid! These army lads are so special 'special cases' everyone else has to pay

  14. Posted by: FascistPig at 17:28 on 26 April 2010 Report

    More to the point though, the WMH has bills to pay none the less like everyone else. It would be great if all charities could have freebies, but its just not economical, I truly wish it was otherwise. Fundraising for the sick is true humanitarianism. Even though they are the cause of their illnesses/disabilities in this particular case.

  15. Posted by: tommy at 17:46 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Geoff...You dont agree with the invasion,but you think the troops should be supported.That's classic doublethink.The government and all other political parties know that the invasions have been brutal,murderous and unjust,and they are painfully aware of the fact that the vast majority of the UK population are against both invasions,BUT the labour(and soon to be Tory) governments are firmly in the pockets of the arms manufacturers and the oil producers ,

  16. Posted by: tommy at 17:50 on 26 April 2010 Report

    remember two of the most powerful lobbies in westminister....So Brown Cameron and now Clegg must find a way of diverting attention from the real issue(which is that of a government controlled by vested interests) and in order to do that they fall back onto the old chestnut about "supporting our brave boys" .Its cheap,its nasty but it's the reality of the situation.That's what a member of the stop the war coalition would tell the organisers of this event

  17. Posted by: catherine speed at 18:23 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Hi yes Mr Cahill I am singing at the event. But will be doing this voluntarily for such a worthwhile cause as will all the other members of staff involved on the evening. not sure if you were suggesting i would be paid for this. The event has been organised by the residents and it jst came as a shock to them as to the cost. They have been offered a reduction of £30 not that they just have to pay £30. Hope you can all make it! Cath

  18. Posted by: a cahill at 18:59 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Catherine Speed..... Where on earth did you get the idea that Iwas suggesting that you were being paid.... My point was that as a member of staff at C/F you should have been aware of the charges and find ways to overcome them on behalf of residents.... that is after all one of the reasons C/f recieve public funding

  19. Posted by: sy'smum at 19:25 on 26 April 2010 Report

    My son was out on patrol when his vehicle hit an IED,he didn't cause his own injuries/disabilities the person who planted the bomb did! please visit selly oak and see if opinions differ with the people who've suffered the effects of this war.Always remember its wars that have been fought b4 that lets you be as opinionated as u r,ALL THANKS TO OUR SOLDIERS

  20. Posted by: catherine speed at 19:34 on 26 April 2010 Report

    ok thank you mr cahill. we did try to get the fees reduced but council refused. so the residents decided to put their views across i guess. thanks

  21. Posted by: catherine speed at 19:56 on 26 April 2010 Report

    i really hope we can get a lot of people to this event. its for such a good cause and will be a credit to the work that has been done by local volunteers who have put so much effort in

  22. Posted by: littlemiss at 20:03 on 26 April 2010 Report

    i worte to the evening leader about the council as i am disgusted that the coucil are charging £30 per hour for memoral hall we are supposed to be a town.wrexham council jump on the band wagon when the soilders come marching throught the town.the people that are doing this are doing it for a very good reson and that is TO HELP THE HEROS they not trying to make it all about political views like you lot are the venu that its being held at is right next to the cenotaph

  23. Posted by: littlemiss at 20:05 on 26 April 2010 Report

    i worte to the evening leader about the council as i am disgusted that the coucil are charging £30 per hour for memoral hall.wrexham council jump on the band wagon when the soilders come marching throught the town.the people that are doing this are doing it for a very good reson and that is TO HELP THE HEROS they not trying to make it all about political views like you lot are the venu that its being held at is right next to the cenotaph

  24. Posted by: PigFascist at 21:12 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Sy'smum. P.S I am in the same situation as you. My Bro is in Afghan and has been blown up, burned He's killed 'terrorist or freedom fighters' innocent men, women and children due to artillery fire and the old 50. Cal. We have 2 very conflicting fundamental views, but are both in the same boat. My lad is back in 2 months, back for 2 weeks, then out for 3 more. Alll on foot patrol!!!!!! Need I say more.

  25. Posted by: sy'smum at 21:25 on 26 April 2010 Report

    pigfacist,oh dear,oh dear,i could start some sort of war on my own right now,but hey,you just aren't worth it,does ur mum think the sun shine out of ur ass and kiss that?????? cuz with the crap that comes out of your mouth she couldnt possible think you were anything but one big a*sehole could she?!?! or is she as deluded as u seem 2 be?

  26. Posted by: sy'smum at 21:46 on 26 April 2010 Report

    pigfacist P.S. he's either your bro or ur lad he cant be both!!when he comes home(hopefully safely)are u not going to give him a hug and tell him how u love him?? or because he legally kills u going to kick him in the teeth?...these comments were never supposed to be about the war but the fact wxm council can make money out of good causes(not just this 1!)there r pages on facebook 4 u 2 vent ur views on war,now jog on there's a good boy!

  27. Posted by: PigFascist at 22:14 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Cont: My mother is a deluded as your are to be frank, ad I as soudn and kind as am sure you are. I am the black sheep of the family as am your you can tell due to my anti violence views. My family however are unfortunately not as aware and passionate about this as I am.

  28. Posted by: PigFascist at 22:15 on 26 April 2010 Report

    When it come down to it my son would go to fight in illegal wars for money (his wage packet) over my dead body. I dint raise him so he can throw his life and others away to feed the rich and powerful people and institutions. My Brother and the other hand is young and naive. In Time as your brave yet foolish soon will learn. I just hope you do too!

  29. Posted by: PigFascist at 22:25 on 26 April 2010 Report

    “He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once" .................

  30. Posted by: PigFascist at 22:26 on 26 April 2010 Report

    cont..........."Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.” Albert Einstein!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  31. Posted by: PigFascist at 22:33 on 26 April 2010 Report

    So my final point, after the awesome words above which sums up what I really think to the letter, is in truth I do not honor your son and my brother. I pity them. And pity them I will ................................ Hope your son has a speedy recovery and life comes good for you and your family and I pray in time you see the errors of your ways and seek redemption.

  32. Posted by: janelouise at 22:41 on 26 April 2010 Report

    As far as I can see, this story is about local people coming together to try and do something positive for a good cause, regardless of people's views on the conflicts. How many of you with your venomous comments have ever got off you're arses to do anything 4 your communities?. You disgust me, I'm surprised the leader allow these vile rants.

  33. Posted by: PigFascist at 23:01 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Hummmm......... Helping, charity. I've never done anything like that B4. LOL. How about helping to fundraise the £1000 for men, £800 for woman and £2-300 for children as pay off/ compensation to the civilians killed in Afghan by our brave lads. Collateral Damage. Lets fundraise for them shall we!???? No lets not, that would be a world away form the small minded lives and views at work here. You talk of community, what about afghan communities, what would you know of that? Absolutly nothing!

  34. Posted by: sy'smum at 23:04 on 26 April 2010 Report

    pigfacist,Your brother,my son and every other soldier are faced with the decision kill or be killed at some stage,they dont get up every morning thinking "i'm purposely going to shoot someone 2day" ,and whether i think the war is right or wrong doesnt matter,what matters now is my son has the love of his family to help him on the long road 2 recovery,would ur bro have the same i wonder?or would u stand spouting"its ur own fault"at him instead!!!!

  35. Posted by: PigFascist at 23:25 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Sy'sma' I really do hope him a swift recovery and I too would do much with my power aid that process. BTW I have fundraised B4 for the armed forces, even though I am totally anti-war, because of people like your son, who need long and expensive medical treatment, No one deserve to suffer, no matter what I think. You are right however, what matters now is to be their for him and each other, am sure you will all will be fine. He is one of the lucky ones afterall. God Bless and good luck.

  36. Posted by: PigFascist at 23:32 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Sy'sma: P.s Rest your mind easy tonight, the things I have said most not be allowed to run around your head all night etc. That just wont do. Clear your mind and be at peace for tomorrow is a new day................................................. and needs living to the fullest :)

  37. Posted by: eveningreader at 23:39 on 26 April 2010 Report

    Tonight's News At Ten featured a report about an assasination attempt on a member of the Afghani government & Al Queda's influence on the region. I suppose the usual suspects on here will rubbish the report, say it is 'made up' etc These people are a disgrace in my eyes. God bless our heroes out in Afghanistan and those who have served there, especially those who have paid the ultimate price ensuring our safety. Heroes.

  38. Posted by: sy'smum at 00:02 on 27 April 2010 Report

    F.P. your sarcasm is not lost on me,neither is your attempts at facetiousness,and you need not worry i will sleep well tonight,safe in the knowledge that nothing you have said will cause me to have n e thing but a peaceful sleep,you on the other hand might just like to reflect on and decide 2 realise ur dream of helping men,women and children of war, and book your flight outta here 1st thing....go on do us a favour and go for it!!!!!!!!..........sweet dreams. x

  39. Posted by: PigFascist at 00:10 on 27 April 2010 Report

    'your sarcasm is not lost on me,neither is your attempts at facetiousness' O Sys'mom..................I really meant what I said, you have totally misconstrued my last few posts. One thing I am not is cruel, flippant and mocking you. I supposed its hard to read between the lines in this virtual world. O well, like you said it matters not

  40. Posted by: PigFascist at 00:21 on 27 April 2010 Report

    “I quarrel not with far-off foes, but with those who, near at home, co-operate with, and do the bidding of, those far away, and without whom the latter would be harmless.” Henry David Thoreau quotes (American Essayist, Poet and Philosopher, 1817-1862)

  41. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 08:55 on 27 April 2010 Report

    I'm sorry, but I still don't get all this talk about "heroes fighting for our freedom". The pals of WWI were hereoes. The butcher, baker and candlestick-maker who joined up to defend our country in WWII were heroes. Most of today's army are people who were incapable of getting a proper job and signed up for something to do. And as for defending our country, we made ourselves the target by constant unquestioning support of Israeli abuses and America's self-interested foreign policy.

  42. Posted by: PigFascist at 10:49 on 27 April 2010 Report

    Thats the problem see Roland, its this holier than tho attitude, were saving these heathens. The real question here mind Roland, is to all those who died, injured soldiers and their families. " Was the blood money worth it?" If they say yes or as close to yes as the care to admit because the ego cant handle it, than they are truly misguided souls. Life's for living not throwing it away on some damed fool idealistic crusade.

  43. Posted by: tommy at 11:45 on 27 April 2010 Report

    I think the issue here is that back in the in 1939 we fought an imperialist dictator(or in reality a man Hitler who wanted to emulate the imperialism of Britain).Now the roles are reversed America is the new germany aided by Isreal and sadly fully supported by the UK.The brits are now doing what germany did back in 39,invade other countries with the intention of control of the population and natural resources. oil

  44. Posted by: tommy at 12:01 on 27 April 2010 Report

    Tony Blair has been criticised for being payed a million pound a year to act as executive director to a company that is developing oilfields in Iraq.He has made a fortune out of his illegal actions.Soldiers haqve been killed but does Blair care.Does he F*ck.the energies of all those damaged by these invasions should be concentating on bringing the real culprits to justice,Blair is not a great statesman to be respects he is a piece of shit who should rot in prison for the rest of his days.

  45. Posted by: GBoycott at 14:33 on 27 April 2010 Report

    pigfacist, stop insulting everyone and go away, nobody agrees with you except yourself under another guise. Your monologue is pathetic and you seem to feel the need to convince yourself more than anyone else.

  46. Posted by: tommy at 16:47 on 27 April 2010 Report

    Geoff..join the army!!..I have visions of you tearing across the Afghan terrain with your machine gun in one hand and you copy of the labour party manifesto in the other,and you screaming out"death to the enemies of democracy"...let's kill the Hun,sorry,the Soviets...oops no sorry..you will then consult your new Lab manifesto to be reminded of who the latest enemy is then confirmed and emblazoned off you go through the desert shouting "death to the Isalmic infidels."

  47. Posted by: GBoycott at 17:07 on 27 April 2010 Report

    I couldn't have described it better myself facist er i mean tommy. Now i do wonder what happened to our mate robert williams, he does seem to have slipped off the radar doesn't he?

  48. Posted by: tommy at 18:21 on 27 April 2010 Report

    Hi Geoff..I hate to dissapoint you but Fascistpig or Pigfascist isn't me,the leader can vouch for that because they clock the IP' of all members(so remember big bruv is watching you)I know Rob though he's Rob Williams of STW coalition and he is on my network.What is even more interesting is that although there aren't many contributors to these forums,the actual visits are through the roof..this link alone over 3,500 hits. ...more civilians killed today in Afghan!!!

  49. Posted by: PigFascist at 19:25 on 27 April 2010 Report

    Geoffrey me old boy. I love how you think I am Tommy and Robert. I am both and more!: A Cahill, EveningReader, Roland Cleth etc. Tommy/me has you summed up perfectly. You make me and others feel grand about the way we are, thanks for showing us what we could have ended up like. You are the ulitmal tool on this site, I could never in my wildest dreams beat you at that.

  50. Posted by: PigFascist at 19:34 on 27 April 2010 Report

    Cont. If you had a brain, job Geof me old sponger, you would be seriously dangerous. Thank god you will never amount to anything (bar typing your small minded bigoted views on the leader site for the rest of your days) as am sure many would suffer and perish under your authoritarian fascist state. Adolf Boycott or worse Tony Boycott, Geoffrey Bush, Chairman Boycott, Geoffrey Stalin.

  51. Posted by: PigFascist at 19:34 on 27 April 2010 Report

    hehe, am so childish............................lol

  52. Posted by: GBoycott at 20:08 on 27 April 2010 Report

    Yes facistpig, i'm just chuckling to myself at your previous comments, of which there are many but few in substance. The one i like best is how your brother, then your son and later your brother again has been to afghanistan. This imaginary brother has seen more action than the iranian embassy siege, what with being blown up and burnt, and killing several hundred insurgents single handedly by the sounds of it.

  53. Posted by: GBoycott at 20:13 on 27 April 2010 Report

    All the more amazing when of the 9 or 10 people i have spoken to that have served in afghanistan, only 5 or 6 have actually engaged the enemy in a firefight and the only deaths were as a result of an airstrike. Do please tell us more heroics of the brother/son you slag off

  54. Posted by: PigFascist at 21:40 on 27 April 2010 Report

    If your having trouble believing than thats your problem isn't it. Lies are for those with inferiority complexes. I dealt with mine a few years back. Also I don't think that my brother is a HERO, just a young, unfortunate and naive man who has been conned. The lad/bro was a typo. IS THAT OK WITH YOU TYPO FASCIST?

  55. Posted by: PigFascist at 21:44 on 27 April 2010 Report

    CONT. If mine have little substance than am happy. Yours have NONE -ZIPPO. The stories about whats happening as we speak he dare not talk about over the satellite phone when he calls ever 1/2 weeks because he physically cant. He is a hard lad, but I get the feeling he would brake down. Its only a matter of time for any healthy soul perhaps. Am sure the people you spoken to aren't 'grunts' bantha/cannon fodder.

  56. Posted by: PigFascist at 21:52 on 27 April 2010 Report

    But than again, in the world of Geoffrey, if he' hasn't heard of it, than it doesn't exist........................ So you can add what I've said to your underdeveloped mind and tell the lads down the pub a little more trivia form behind the comfort of your superior intellect, as am sure you will. Peronally, I have met people like you many times over, and they aren't going away anytime soon. The world needs clever dicks. Were off to button moon, we'll fallow Mr spoon............

  57. Posted by: PigFascist at 22:02 on 27 April 2010 Report

    Tommy: How has Geoffrey put 2+2 together and got us, and Rob all as one blogger, I just cant understand how someone who thinks he;s 'the man' could make such a laughable claim. It really does need some questioning. Paranoia , Schizophrenia? No wait, Delusional, grandiose delusions, persecutory delusions!?

  58. Posted by: GBoycott at 11:11 on 28 April 2010 Report

    This is completely banal and pointless. I'll leave you with your views, incidentally the same ones held by those muslim protestors at the funerals of the returning british soldiers. At least you know you are in good company

  59. Posted by: PigFascist at 12:15 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Are you a Muslin hater Geoffrey? Do you think that they were wrong to protest about murderers killing innocent people, certain freedom fighters?? Where you in Wrexham a few months ago shouting ' Muslin Bombers of our streets!', I bet you idealized those Nazi week minded scum. The only skill you have, is talking shite on this mighty, well respected and life changing Leader website. ' I'm teaching fools some basic rules' - Mr T. Is that your motto????

  60. Posted by: PigFascist at 12:24 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Cont: And please tell me Geoffrey, are many people in Plas Madoc racist towards Muslims?. Are your family a bunch of white supremacists, your views don't just spring out of the ground lad? Have you ever met a Muslim who is furious with the treatment of the people of the Arab world by the west? NO, have you hell, bet you never ever even spoke to a Muslim or an anti war protester. Ignorance and bigoted views is all you'll ever have. You must have done something really bad in the past life.

  61. Posted by: PigFascist at 12:53 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Fascists never could understand pacifist or anti war activist's views (the real 'hero's' as many and I like to think). Yes Geof, you talk like a FASCIST! In reality mind, I bet your a supper pussy, weed and nerd with massive delusions of grandeur and an inferiority complex to match. Do you stand in the mirror thinking 'god I look good'. Ever seen Taxi Driver or American Physco? You are Walter Mitty

  62. Posted by: GBoycott at 14:58 on 28 April 2010 Report

    I'm having trouble deciphering your actual message through all those appalling spelling mistakes, but from what i can infer you seem to think im from plas madoc, where did that come from? I'm at uni in a multi cultural city and know more muslims than you've got friends, though i doubt that is a hard figure to overcome.

  63. Posted by: GBoycott at 15:03 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Furthermore, I would really love to know how supporting out troops makes me and my whole family white supremacists. I'd say 90% of the populace must be by that measure, now off you go to collect your dole and continue your sad life dominated by internet forums.

  64. Posted by: firemansam333 at 16:28 on 28 April 2010 Report

    was wondering if fascist pig would consider being guest speaker at my next regimental reunion

  65. Posted by: tommy at 16:58 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Geoff...You give the impression that this war is supported by the brits.It not!!!!...its supported by the petrochemical and arms industries because they will gain directly from the mayhem.Sadly the above mentioned industries are the two most powerful lobbies in westminister,that's why there is a war.

  66. Posted by: GBoycott at 17:22 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Tommy, for the 5th or 6th time supporting and respecting the job our troops are doing does not amount to supporting the war/mission if afghanistan. When you join the armed forces you do so entering into a contract with a minimum term of 4 years (i think), like any job you do what you are told, not what you want

  67. Posted by: PigFascist at 18:09 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Firemansam333. Sure, where is it? Let's get STW Coalition over too. I'd love to prove the point that the British Army is full of mindless, drunk idiotic supremacists who would love to knock seven shades out of me. A harmless, kind, charitable, active citizen, hard working tax paying, anti war protester, pacifist and family man..... beaten for criticizing the war and those how are to blame for murder. Or am I wrong, would that not happen?

  68. Posted by: PigFascist at 18:12 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Geoff,. What crap. You claim to know and represent Muslims but we both know its a fantasy. I bet you walk on the other side of the road in campus to these 'others' am not fooled. And it was you who said your were from Plas Madoc I recall. Which Uni you at BTW and what do you study? What are your future employment aspirations if you dont mind me asking?

  69. Posted by: PigFascist at 18:24 on 28 April 2010 Report

    P.s you are such a hypocrite. You have posted on this site practically every day on several stories for the past year. Your the one who's 'sad life is dominated by internet forums' I haven't posted on here for nearly a year and will probably be back in another, just to reeducate you and your fellow Muppets (unless a war article pops up). The leader is one of the worst form of news I have ever read and they are totally mindless when it comes to the world of war.

  70. Posted by: littlemiss at 18:35 on 28 April 2010 Report

    why are all of you making a big debate out of all of this it was one story in a paper and you all shouting your opions going on bout muslims no one mentioned muslims in the paper.them lads are hero's in my eyes i wouldnt like to be 18 well anyage and have my legs blown off. you need to all stop bickering and consider what they are doing is a brave scary thing and they shouldnt even be there but they are an cant do nothing about it

  71. Posted by: littlemiss at 18:38 on 28 April 2010 Report

    and another thing them lads are protcting a country that isnt even ours. them in afgan should be gratful somone tryna make and effot to protect them instead of turning on them and killing them.

  72. Posted by: tommy at 19:21 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Littlemiss..you said:"and another thing them lads are protcting a country that isnt even ours. them in afgan should be gratful somone tryna make and effot to protect them instead of turning on them and killing them""...could you tell me why we are there,and why we have chosen that country to invade as opposed to the 200 other countries on earth..is there a feckin light on in your head...are you on planet feckin earth?????.

  73. Posted by: PigFascist at 20:16 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Tommy. She hasn't a clue. Geoff on the other hand DOES, but is far to right wing to care.......................

  74. Posted by: littlemiss at 20:28 on 28 April 2010 Report

    tommy (is'nt that wot they called british solders) turn off that bob dylon cd and put the soap box away!! wether the wars right or wrong these men are there in 100 degree heat not knowin if its thier last day alive fightin with crap gear.because its thier job they dont need to come home to hear and read that they shuddent be there' they already know that.they need our support

  75. Posted by: PigFascist at 21:04 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Littlemiss. How can you idealize and defend any one who kills? You should be ashamed of yourself

  76. Posted by: littlemiss at 21:36 on 28 April 2010 Report

    fascistpig.are you anti war or just anti british or just maybe just an idealist .wars happen people die thats a fact all your soapboxin in a local paper wont change that if you think the people wxm agree with you why dont you take your soapbox in to town spout your crap and see how much support you get ....

  77. Posted by: GBoycott at 22:06 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Haha pig, so you been registered the whole time but never commented on several articles about the war. Littlemiss, well said, i'd ignore both tommy and facist as its quite clear they are both one and the same. As Brown would say, he/they is/are a bigot

  78. Posted by: GBoycott at 22:07 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Plus i'd love one of our lads to give him a hiding, see how hard his keyboard muscles are then

  79. Posted by: littlemiss at 22:19 on 28 April 2010 Report

    GBoycott maybe the only way pigfacist can get a friend is to invent 1. bet he,s only got 3 mates and they,re still in the draw unopened....

  80. Posted by: PigFascist at 22:30 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Why dont you do it yourself? Afraid, too soft?

  81. Posted by: PigFascist at 22:37 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Littlemis numpty. When you and Geof have lived a little, then lets talk about mates. Its obvious you and him are straight out of Noddy land. Most of your 'friends' be with you in a few years as most are vain and foolish suckers. They say you only have 3 best friends in the world anyway. Which am sure I have. Watch and learn...........

  82. Posted by: littlemiss at 22:47 on 28 April 2010 Report

    listen here pighead u cudnt get a friend on facebook ur a sad lil perfectic person u need to go to twn and buy your self a life..and me need to live a lil mate ur the one that has been on here ALLLLLLLL DAY....u havent even got one friends in the world never mind three cus u anit got a life ur saying shit that u dnt even no about u just think u no it all..prob cus uve had ur head in ur books all ur life cus ur SADDDDD im 18 years old bet u wish u wer my age cus ive ac got a life....good day...

  83. Posted by: PigFascist at 23:55 on 28 April 2010 Report

    Haha, keep dreaming shite for brains. Facebook, what a looser you are.............. I bet you think its all about how many 'friends' you got...............................In a few years am sure wrexham will show you a few things about life, particularly how 18 year olds in this town know feck all. DEAL WITH IT. Anyhow, for now lets try and save the lads in the UK form killing themselves and others, shall we????

  84. Posted by: tommy at 10:51 on 29 April 2010 Report

    Little Miss..please go away,everytime you open your gob I get dissilusioned and am reminded of the empty headed 24/7, 3 second attention span, dumbed down,shit for brains youth culture that sadly seems to dominate these days...Geoff ..threats of violence on public forums is a new low even for you....Fpig..keep up the good work,although most of what you say will fall on deaf ears.....more afghan civilians killed yesterday

  85. Posted by: PigFascist at 17:43 on 29 April 2010 Report

    Thanks Tommy. Well appreciated. Your a bright light on this silly forum. I'll be off now for a year or so, so keep up the good work. In solidarity. PIG

  86. Posted by: littlemiss at 20:23 on 29 April 2010 Report

    hahaha tommy and piggy u make me laugh bet u to are the same person. whats the point in arguin.its not all bout people with no brains even thow i have its about them lads fighting a war in afgan....and any way im off now.. Good day....

  87. Posted by: tommy at 11:02 on 01 May 2010 Report

    Hi Little miss...The brave boys are not fighting a war,they are invading another country,the difference of course is merely technical and is way above your head.By the way try and give the Afghan people a little bit of respect and learn to spell Afghan properly.

  88. Posted by: sy'smum at 16:29 on 01 May 2010 Report

    i think most of u seem to have lost site of what the article (on which u now spout ur anti war crap) is all about!! i'd like someone (roland) to explain what you mean by most of the army today are "incapable of getting a proper job"....what exactly do u deem to be a proper job mr cleth?!?!

  89. Posted by: coops10 at 21:59 on 13 July 2010 Report

    i wish local papers would get it right, simon vaughan is NOT a commando. He is a Royal Electrical Mechanical Engineer (REME) he was serving in afghanistan attatched to the the commandos. he is a true hero and is amazing for coming so far. Its thanks to wonderful charities that yound lads like this are able to get the support and help they need for themselves and their families

 

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